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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.08 11:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Cromo Effect
The kestrel pilot was simply unlucky and orphanage was extremely lucky is all. Making fun off his loss is simply childish tbh.
I have to completely disagree with this. Things the pilot/player could have done to safeguard his cargo:
* Use a courier contract.
* Use an audit container/Orca.
* Fly covert ops.
* Use a character in an NPC corp that doesn't attract alliance enemies.
* Space the 74 PLEXes out over several runs.
* Not be a dumb-ass.
* Any or all of the above.
Writing this off as an accident or poor luck is just setting oneself up for more avoidable losses in the future.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.08 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cromo Effect
No you are wrong completely. He was warping to the station at zero to dock and it dropped him 40km off it. Something tells me that the 0rphanage is using the same program as The Monkeysphere was using to mess with war targets to get easy kills. Besides the incident is under investigation as we speak so we will see who the dummy is.
Yes, yes, it must definitely be their 1337 CH34T1E HAXOR $K1LLZ. Definitely no culpability on the part of the pilot.
This doesn't negate the fact he was in an uncloaked frigate in a wardecced alliance. What if his internet had suddenly cut out while he was in Jita? The enemy would have had time to combat scan his frig before it finally left the server. There were just too many precautions not taken. Complacency and excuses kill more often than any weapon.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.08 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: thoth rothschild
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* Fly covert ops.
* Use a character in an NPC corp that doesn't attract alliance enemies.
That won't help. I know a lot of people who are willing to suizide gank for 74 plexes and a covert ops is still a frigate which can be killed in a single volley.
Not a fool-proof plan, but it's still helpful just the same. I can get the whole way to Jita cloaked in a covert ops, apart from the split second it takes to hit the warp button after each stargate.
And there is a difference between an NPC frig that they have to bother to scan and a bright red "shoot me" sign on the overview.
Like I said--not foolproof, but every bit helps when you're holding onto 22 bil.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.09 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cromo Effect
Someone hacked their kill board and posted all those comments...
Of COURSE!!!
That being said...you, my friend, are the reason this thread is still alive. 
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.09 12:36:00 -
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Jita, The Forge - On 112.08.07, a Kestrel frigate carrying 74 Pilot's License Extensions [PLEX] worth about 22 billion ISK, was blown up just outside of the Jita 4-4 station.
The frigate, piloted by Aystra of SpaceMonkeyÆs Alliance, was destroyed by slickdog and Viktor Vegas of The 0rphanage Alliance as part of a CONCORD sanctioned war between the two entities. It remains unclear why the frigate pilot took the risk to move such a valuable cargo during an active war.
According to wilbongbe of the SpaceMonkeyÆs Alliance, we might never know the reasons behind the attempted move, as the weight of the tremendous ISK loss pushed Aystra to immediately put an end to her capsuleering days.
The attacking pilots were unaware of the precious cargo and they immediately eliminated the wreck to deny any theft by scavenger pilots.
"I would probably be kicked out [of the alliance] if [PLEX] were to drop... I was the one that killed the wreck," concluded slickdog.
CCP itself agrees this thread should not die. And that the alliance leader *cough cough* I mean, 'Aystra' was pretty damn stupid ;-)
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.09 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: ROXGenghis
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7118520
Hmm...only 2 PLEXes, in a covert ops, with an afterburner.
You're doing it right.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.10 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ressiv
Edited by: Ressiv on 10/08/2010 08:59:54
Originally by: LoneRider
I am trying to find a reason for that transport but i cannot find any...
Thought about this as well. I think the guy was planning on leaving EVE with a b00m. That, or a lack of braincells.
And yes, PLEX is account based, not toon based. On top, they can be applied as gametime from ANYWHERE in the universe. So there is no need to transport them at all, if they are going to be used for gametime.
He had likely bought them for lower prices in other regions of EVE and was planning to sell them for marked-up prices in Trade Capital. It's what I do--Drake BPOs, for example, sell for the same amount in Jita, and that's before they're researched.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.10 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Misunderstood Genius
CCP will take the chance that player "risk" ingame their RL money.
This should not happen because then it's NOT a game anymore. My opinion.
I disagree, on the basis that EVERYTHING in EVE is "bought," in some form or another. Whether my 700 isk Navy-Issue Raven was purchased for $30+ through PLEXes, or through weeks of leveling and grinding on a paid subscription, the result is the same. EVE is a game in the sense that poker is a game--you're playing against other people, and you're gambling earned items that can be permanently lost.
EVE makes more sense when you think of it as inherently gambling, and your issues with it will then probably be made on that front.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.10 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jojo Redana
In poker you will buy chips and play with chips. They won't destroy the chips. At least not in my country.
Ah, so your issue is that the PLEXes didn't drop, decreasing the overall amount of capital to be gambled in the game. That was not immediately clear in your earlier post.
I can see the validity in that argument. From what I can tell, many other items go to the "item graveyard" or have their worth replenished in asteroid fields, etc. What about PLEXes or their equivalent?
I can see an inherent complexity to the problem, since they can either be turned into game time (no direct increase in overall market) or entered into the market as a new item for trade.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.10 13:18:00 -
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Only 1.2 mil per??? That's a return of at most .4%!!! I only trade in goods that give me at least 3-5% increase on the original price, or it's just not worth the time/potential market shifts.
And wouldn't that profit margin have been eaten up in sales tax/broker fees anyway?
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.08.10 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Aesheera
So basically, he was hauling billions worth of plexes for a epic 88 something mill profit?
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, he would have been taking an automatic loss. I don't think you can get combined SCC/Broker fees lower than .4%.
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